Exporting from Premiere Pro to tape

Version of Premiere?

Operating system?

What device are you trying to record to?

 

Does Premiere recognise the device? Does your computer recognise the device? For example, if you try and capture does Premiere let you control the device?

CS5

Windows 7

Panasonic NV-MX350

Yes, I can capture from the camera. I have had the problem before but it seemed to resolve itself. The last time I exported to tape in CS5 it worked. I don't believe I've made any changes to Premiere since then but now it does  not provide a functioning export to tape.

Are you working in DV or in HDV?

If DV try this: turn OFF hardware Mercury Playback Engine. (it's in project settings). Render the sequence. Try again.

It is DV but under Video Rendering and Playback there doesn't seem to be an option. I can see the Mercury Playback Engine already greyed out but there is no option to select anything else or do anything with it.

Check the IEEE1394 driver in the control panel is to the correct "Legacy" version - if it doesn't say Legacy in the driver name it's the wrong one - update the driver and change it the Legacy version.

 

In playback settings (within your project) make sure you have enabled external device for DV playback and checked the play on hardware options.

Sticking my neck out here and testing my memory but if the memory is correct the last time I sent video back to tape, Sony camera and a long time ago, it had to be in VCR mode and not Record mode.  Now shoot me down .

 

Harry

Yes any form of importing back to camera has to be in VTR mode.

Got my Sony manual.

1. If you are recording a tape from the VCR, insert a recorded tape into the VCR.

2. Set the POWER switch to VCR.

3. Set Display to LCD in the Menu settings. The picture from a TV or VCR appears in the viewfinder or on the LCD screen.

4. Press RECORD and the button on its right simultaneously on your camcorder, then immediately press PAUSE on your camcorder

5.Press PLAY on the VCR to start playback

6. Press PAUSE on your camcorder at the scene where you want to start recording from.

Any Help?

Thanks for that, Maxwell.  Nice to know that dementia has not arrived here yet.

 

Harry

Though it shouldn't be necessary to do steps 4,5 and 6 if you're attached to the computer, since that will do deck control and put the camera into record mode via the NLE's device control.

I'm not really following this, what is the VCR ? Shouldn't I just be able to record back to tha camcorder using the export to tape function that is in the Premiere programme ?

All they're saying is that your camcorder has to be in playback mode, rather than record mode. I'm not familiar with your camcorder, but with all the Sonys, when you switch them on you choose between record mode and playback mode. So what they're saying is that to record back to your camera from the computer the camera should be set as it is when you record from the camera to the computer.

Thanks Mark, I think it's the same with Panasonic and I've tried both with the current problem but I normally have it in playback mode. It's very frustrating as a little while back I tried to export the video directly to DVD using Encore but that didn't work either but at that point I could fall back to exporting to tape. Now I don't seem to have any process within CS5 to get the video out of the computer. I had to upgrade to CS5 as my 6.5 wouldn't work on Windows 7 but I never had this kind of problem with 6.5. 

It would seem to me that for a Video Editing Programme, being able to get video in and out of the computer is fairly fundamental so it must be a matter of settings or Premiere not being able to find what it needs to export to tape so I've been trying to think what I could have done to change the settings.

There are only four possibilities that come to mind:

1. I've installed the updates that Microsoft send for Windows.

2. I've installed upgrades that Adobe have sent for Premiere

3. I've installed and ran Auslogics Disc Defrag to tidy up my hard files

4. I've installed and ran Auslogics Registry Cleaner to tidy up my registers.

 

Could any of these be the culprit and what can I do to fix the problem. My CS5 is an upgrade from 6.5 but I do have the two CD's for that original upgrade.

 

 

have you been successful in the past?

 

Just checking that the camera does accept "IN"

Yes, I have been able to export to tape in the past.

Did you follow Gavin's suggestion? I know that that's one that makes a difference.

Have gone into Control Panel. Driver was "1394 OHCI Compliant Host Controller". Changed to "1394 OHCI Compliant Host Controller (Legacy)"

Went into "Playback Settings". Under "Real Time Playback" set External Device to "DV: 25 720x576i", Aspect Ratio Conversion to "Hardware (if supported") and "External Device Audio"

Under Export set External Device to "DV:25 720x576i"

Disable video output when in the background is ticked.

Under 24p conversion method chose "Interlaced Frame (2:3:3:2)

 

Under General the only items showing are In Video "Display Format: 25fps timecode" & in Audio "Audio Samples"

 

Tape is still greyed out. To give whole picture, Tape & Title are greyed out. Media, EDL,OMF, AAF and Final Cut Pro XML are available.

When you're all hooked up, as setup as you describe above, and you playback your timeline, does it playback on your camcorder? It should do, regardless of tape control. If it doesn't, we're still missing something...

There is a tape in the camcorder and I've just done a test record and that works.

If I play the timeline it does playback on the camcorder.

So, is that problem solved then, Jim?

Might be barking up the wrong tree. Reading with great interest these post and I was thinking? Have you set your audio channels with the new instalment of software. I know with my Canon i have to alter the setting when exporting back to tape.

 

 

I don't suppose that the tape is protected?

No, tape is definitely not protected.

Since the video passes from the computer to the camera, as a workaround, can not just play the timeline and manually press record on the camera?

 

It would be interesting to try and see if this is a  Premiere problem, or a computer/camera problem.

You could try downloading Scenalyzer Live (SCLive):

My camcorder is on stereo channel. Need to alter setting on camcorder to 1. Sorry i only use Mac software.

Have you checked if the little red tap on tape is closed?

I wish i could help as i had trouble in past. I wish you luck as it can get very frustrating. I bet it is something very simple.

Please let us know the outcome.

Tried Scenalyzer and I am able download video from Scenalyzer to the camera so it looks like a Premiere problem.

To record directly to the camera I don't understand what I need to press to record when the camera is in VCR mode.

I will have a go at doing it all through Scenalyzer but obviously I would like to get Premiere working properly. It sort of spoils it a bit when you can't output video from the (expensive) application.

I really do appreciate the help you guys provide and your patience when asked what seem to be some pretty dumb questions. 

 

on a mac, you can have firewire enabled, but control switched off. (Firewire, non controllable device)

 

I used this when I used an Imac as a recorder and started it manually.

 

Dunno about PC, but you could try pressing Play and record, and playing the timeline.

But it sounds tto me as if it's the prog not allowing playback

 

You press REC and PLAY together on the remote control (according to pg 36 of the manual, at any rate!).

 

 

 

This is a bit of a long shot guess, but try switching off the realtime playback. (I"m thinking that the realtime playback might somehow be blocking the machine control functions in the firewire..... but since I have not used Prem. for years, it is just a suggestion!)

dave

Mercury Playback Engine has to be in "software" mode (if you don't have an approved or hacked CUDA card installed then you won't see or need this option).

 

Under edit/preference/device control do you see DV/HDV - with the camera connected in PLAYBACK MODE (VCR MODE) click the options box - is the device set correctly to PAL and if so what is the STATUS shown as?

 

 

 

 

 

 

OK, firstly I tried pressing play & record together on the remote control and it worked !!

Video written to tape. I've had a big slice of luck. My grandchildren (3 under 7) were down for the weekend and the 7 year old decided he'd take a carrier bag home. Fortunately I decided to look inside the bag before they left - a torch, a roll of cellotape, a stapler, several tangerines, my CD player remote and my CAMCORDER remote - all rescued and one, very useful today !!

Secondly, I would really like to get Premiere working again (and eventually Encore working) so here are the answers to Gavin's question:

Under edit/preferences/device control, it says DV/HDV

Under the options box, it says PAL, Panasonic, Standard, Non Drop-frame, online, Go online for device info.

Start a brand new DV project.

 

If you have the option to select Mercury Playback Engine then set it to Software Mode rather than GPU accelerated.

 

Make a DV PAL 48K timeline.

 

Make bars and tone and drag it out onto the timeline for about 15 seconds.

 

Put a new blank tape in the camera.

 

Check that the playback output settings for both export and playback are set to play on DV hardware.

 

Scrub the timeline to confirm that the bars and tone are reaching the camera.

 

With the cursor/playhead parked on the timeline go to file/export/tape - is it still greyed out?

Hi Gavin,

      Under Video Rendering and Playback it says Renderer and then greyed out "Mercury Playback Engine Software Only". I can't change this but I guess from what you say that's the setting it should be.

 

      Another couple of dumb questions - sorry.

      Make bars and tone and drag it out onto the timeline for about 15 seconds.

      What are bars and tone and how do I do this ?

 

      Scrub the timeline to confirm that the bars and tone are reaching the camera.

      How do I "scrub" the timeline ? 

 

To make bars and tone right click in the library and select new - bars & tone.

 

This will make a dummy clip of colour bars with a 1kHz audio tone.

 

Drag the bars and tone to the timeline - you can stretch the bars and tone just by dragging the end of the clip on the timeline (same as extending a title etc).

 

Scrubbing the timeline just means clicking on the playhead and dragging it around - you should see the colour bars and hear the beeping on your camcorder.

 

The purpose of setting up a dummy project like this is to test the basic functions of the system.

 

If the basics work with the dummy project then you can trouble shoot problems with specific projects and/or media.

 

If the basics don't work then you need to hire/beg/steal/borrow a geek to fix it.

Hi Gavin,

     Did all that and the "tape" facility was NOT greyed out. Does this mean that the projects I currently have unfinished will still have the problem (and I can get around that) but any new projects will be able to use the export to tape facility ?

Gavin, nice problem solving!

 

Jim, just nest  the sequence that you want to output into that one you just created following Gavin's instructions. Now that you know it works you can replace the bars and tone. The nested sequence will take on the attributes of the one you nest it into.

Bit of a glitch. I brought up the offending video and when I then went back to the bars and tone video the "export to tape" was greyed out !!

You must have the timeline selected prior to choosing file/export/tape.

 

The best thing is to scrub the play head on the timeline a bit to make sure. Then try exporting.

 

If you don't follow this procedure then the export to tape option will be greyed out.

I am following the procedure but it's still greyed out. Strange seeing it worked when I first did it. What kind of little gremlins do I have in my computer ?

Have you re-opened the old project or are you looking at the new one?

I deleted the first bar and tone project and then created a new bar and tone project using the same process you provided for the first bar and tone project. 

You need a local geek familiar with Premiere. It's probably something very very simple BUT needs a good coat of looking at!

 

Send me direct message via the board with your phone number - I'll see what I can work out.

Gavin, thanks so much for resolving this problem. It was so kind of you to take the personal time needed to fix the situation. Much appreciated.   

And what was the resolution? Please can you let us know so we can add that to the knowledge pool?

 

Thanks!

 

Mark

Start a new project. Select "bars & tone" and drag to the timeline. Scrub the "bars and tone" clip on the timeline. Check that all the required DV settings were selected. Check that "export to tape" is not greyed out. Import the offending video and drag to the timeline. Delete the "bars and tone". Check that "export to tape" still active and then export.

It would seem that for some reason the two videos I was working on had some kind of problem that didn't allow export to tape operation. The theory is that any new video I now start should export to tape without any problem.

No problem Jim - glad it now works.

 

Mark - basically started new dummy project then imported the duff one into it & exported out from there asper your post in #37 but with a bit of guidance.