Ulead DVD Workshop 2 capture question

1. pass .... don't capture from dv to workshop
2. 2hours 30 minutes would work well with 8/2.5 = 3.2 Mb/s CBR
I would be tempted to make it 1/2 D1 i.e. 352x576 rather than 720x576 , and people may not spot the difference.

Can someone please explain why or how to make WS2 capture a file or avi project as one file instead of splitting them into sections. I have unticked the checkbox "scene detection" in the obtions box. It didn't use to do this.

Thank you.

oku

Oku

I have the same problem with imported footage splitting into smaller files, and so do others. I have not been able to sort out the problem.

This is not supposed to happen with NTFS formatted drives and it is a real puzzle.

I use a Casablanca Avio dedicated editing system then export my project to MiniDV. I then import to WS2, if it is a small amount of tape WS2 can cope.

I've just written again, to Ulead to see if anyone has overcome this anomally. If not, then they should provide a basic editor with the software in order to stitch the material back together (for those of us who don't edit on a PC).

Paul

are you sure that scene detection isn't on? It's a real pain. You need to switch it off before every capture, rather than the other way around.

No that's not the problem.

I had this reply from Ulead (USA) regarding import/file size problems.

"We are currently monitoring this behaviour, I already reported this to our R&D for further checking. If we found this a bug, we will immediately going to create an update patch to correct this problem."

That was 11 months ago! I haven't had a further reply despite reminders.
People in numerous countries are still having this problem.

OK, I bought Movie Factory 2 and I can get around the problem by importing MiniDV smoothly into that program. The point is should anyone have to buy other products just to make the 'superior' program work (which I paid £245.00 for?)

Has ANYONE managed to get WS2 to import files larger than 4GB without a splitting procedure taking place????

If you have it would be a relief to myself and others to learn how you did it.

I normally use procoder inbetween editing and authoring (prem pro>procoder>ws2)
but I did a quickie the other day for a school so shoved in an AVI that was 7G and it worked fine.

By purchasing the inferior MF2 I have no problem importing MiniDV into the PC. I can then shut down the program and the more versatile WS2 software will then work OK with the new AVI.

My point is that you shouldn't have to buy another program to act as a crutch for a top of the range item.

Cheers

Hi

I suspect if you had gone to

Documents & Settings:
Your Name/Application Data/Ulead Systems/Ulead DVD Workshop
&
Administrator/Application Data/Ulead Systems/Ulead DVD Workshop

amd deleted the Ulead DVD Workshop folders, then reinstalled your working configuration would have returned.

Regards

Ulead advised me to try that some time ago John. It still didn't work. I'm not the only one having this problem though.

Have you personally been able to import large amounts of tape into WS2 without them breaking up?

Cheers

Hi Paul

My videos are rendered in MSPro & imported as compliant DVD, No Problems

I captured 6 minutes with DVDWS 2 last night, scene detection. selected, a pile of small clips.

Scene detection unselected, one big file.

Captured from a minidv tape as DV type1, PAL

Regards

Over the last couple of days/evenings/nights I have made more attempts to get around the file size problem in WS2 - without success. I've tried everything I can think of including streamlining the PC with as many tweaks as I could find. I defragmented the two NTFS drives of course. I stripped WS2 off the system then reinstalled (several times), and also removed certain folders (recommended by Ulead and others).

I then imported a 60+ minutes MiniDV tape via WS2. At the end of the process, briefly (and for the first time) a warning flashed up to say that the 'capture was unsuccessful' or words to that effect. I didn't have time to read the whole message but when I went to the designated capture folder on the spare large drive it was there regardless. However, it was split again - two AVI files of 4Gb and another at 3.95Gb. Each file plays back very smoothly and I can't see any obvious problems.

I then reimported the same tape via Movie Factory 2 with no problem! A whopping uncut file that looks equally as smooth upon playback.

The only difference I could see was that for some reason the single MF2 file was flagged up at 1185.19kbps, whereas each split file via WS2 was around 3500 kbps (but none were identical!)

So a) Why would these be different rates? b) What would happen if you tried to cut video imported at different rates together? c) Is one superior to the other?

In the near future I have to try and download a huge 90 minute project into WS2 for burning to DVD. This will be spread over two Mini DV tapes because of the length of course but unless one of you good people can offer a solution to the file size problem I will still end up with two files that need to be stitched together!

So what do I use? I would rather stick to products by the same company to try and avoid compatibilty problems so would Video Studio be able to cope? It's cheap and I will only need it join the fractured files together as I always edit on a MacroSystems Casablanca Avio (sadly I couldn't afford the DVD version!)

Any suggestions or advice will be much appreciated.

Paul - are all the drives/partitions in the system NTFS formatted, or do you have some formatted as FAT32 ?

(Just in case WS2 assumes that if any drives in the system are FAT32, it automatically limits the file sizes to 4GB even though you're not actually capturing to them).

Tony

Thanks for the reply Tony but no, both the 80GB and 160GB drives are NTFS.

It's a real puzzle! I'm still awaiting a reply from Ulead but I'm not holding my breath. I actually like working with WS2 but it seems to be flawed.

For the forthcoming 90 minute DVD that I hope to produce, I've ordered a copy of Video Studio 8 that I found on E.bay for £6.00p (I can then upgrade to Video Studio 9 (19.99p from the Ulead download site) if necessary. It's a cheap way to stitch the severed files back together IF it works.

Should I send the bill to Ulead on principle?!!

Regards

Paul, what format are you capturing? 60+ minutes of miniDV tape in DV .avi format would be about 13gb, but you only have two files for about 7.95gb (4gb + 3.95gb). So are you capturing some other format other than DV .avi?

No, only DV AVI.

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough - two AVI files of 4Gb and another at 3.95Gb, in other words, three files in total. Not far off the figure you mention.

Cheers

Paul

Paul

I can confirm the 4GB limit in Win 2000 with DV type 2 (I haven't checked type1).

I will make the DVD today & see if it effects the DVD in any way
UPDATE, I now see that the video is split into 4 chapters, which means I will edit in MSPro 7 as usual.

Regards

John

Type 1 AVI imports as one file from MSPro 7 into DVDWS2 in XP
ie. 1 Chapter until I add more etc.

I only have a 4.6GB Type 1 AVI on Win2000 ATM but this is also one chapter

Is it a type 2 issue?

Regards

John I'm sure I checked out Type 1 vs 2 before but this evening when I get back I will check again.

If you do go ahead and burn the DVD I'm sure it will just stop playing at a 4GB limit - mine did.

I don't have Media Studio Pro 7.

Cheers

Paul

Hi Paul

It's a type 2 issue IMO

Use type 1 & Scene detection off

I just captured 52 mins in XP, 1 one video of 11GB approx, 1 chapter

DVDWS 2 default is type 2 & Scene detection On.

Type 1 & Scene detection Off for one continous file.

Type 1 selection seems to stick, however Scene detection ticked On is alwas the default for a new project :(

btw my Ritek DVD's are often 4.3GB & play all the way to the end

Regards

John

Paul

For clarification, are you also uleadgator?
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=6028

No John

I'm definitely not 'Uleadgator' but there are other too who have encountered the same problem.

I had various interuptions yesterday evening and this morning but I will hopefully get a chance to address the Type 1 and 2 issue later this afternoon.

Thanks for your feedback.

Paul

I'm not sure what's happening here...

It should be ok to capture larger than 4gb chunks on NTFS drives -- I just captured a DV Type-1 (about 9gb), and a DV Type-2 (about 5gb). They are both just one large file each, and they both can be added to the DWS2 Timeline without a problem.

I've got Win2K / SP4. My boot drive is Fat32, and my capture drives are NTFS.

Out of curiosity, what dv codec is installed on your system?

Hi

Well I've tried the suggestions you pointed me towards John but I'm still no wiser. Type 1, scene detection off, reinstall, reinstall, Reimport via Panasonic Camcorder, reimport via Sony Camcorder. It doesn't matter. I can't produce a file bigger than 4GB. My PC's OS is XP/SP2 and I capture to a spare large hard drive only used for video and as I've said, both are NTFS formatted.

At first I thought it was a problem downloading tapes that had been created on my Casablanca Avio - backed up to MiniDV tape. However there are others who have the same conflicts who only use a PC to edit. Not only that, the same tapes sliced up in WS2 are unaffected if I import them via MF2! They import without a problem 10/11/12 Gb.

In addition to WS2 and MF2 I still have an old MSP5.0 on my system somewhere but I can't believe that this could cause any conflict. Whichever way I import to the PC, I don't suffer dropped frames, the images are clean.

I did once install my son's Pinnacle Studio software to try it out. I dabbled for a few hours then went to uninstall the program and all hell broke loose. Things stopped working - funnily enough including WS2 - which I had to reinstall. I also remembered to activate the WS update patch afterwards. I didn't think to write down what exactly happened but it was months ago.

Could this have caused a problem? I haven't installed any CODECS besides - which do you use?

Regards

Hi Paul

I don't have any Pinnacle or Roxio software on my systems, others may have views about Pinnacle codecs?

Do the properties of your video look like this?

Microsoft AVI Files - OpenDML

DV Video Encoder - type 1

Regards

john

No!

John the audio is different...

I'm sorry but a lot of this is unfamilar to me - you will have to 'nursemaid' me through it.

The video attributes are the same except I'm using 4.3 ratio. However the audio attributes are the same BUT the audio compression is PCM. How did I do that importing via WS2?

Thanks.

Hi Paul

Is your Cature plug in like this

Don't concern yourself about the 16:9 in my previous screen shot

I am suspicious that the Pinnacle or another codec is over ruling the DirectShow plug-in.

I just found this, however it means reinstalling your Ulead stuff again
http://www.pinnaclesys.com/docsupport1.asp?division_id=1&langue_id=2&product_id=469&product_name=Studio%20version%207&page_id=146

I have one concern on my system, how can George break the 4GB barrier with a type 2 capture ;)

Paul, are you saying the audio is PCM, and you are working with a DV Type-1 video :?:

John, I just checked one of the DV Type-2 files I captured this morning -- it is definitely a DV Type-2 file about 21 minutes long -- it's actually 4,742,885,376 bytes (according to the Windows properties).

1. Capture plug-in identical.

2. I will go to the Pinnacle link in a minute and explore.

3. I don't think George is the only one breaking the 4GB barrier with type 2. It just occured to me to check out the test tapes imported via MF2. I'd deleted all but one small file and it too is type 2. So, I suspect the huge MF2 test files I imported and then deleted over the last few days were also type 2.

I will reimport some more footage if I have some spare time tomorrow evening. Nevertheless, if MF2 naturally imports via one type successfully and WS2 imports to another type, then maybe we are getting somewhere.

4. I'm signing off for now, my eyes have been locked onto a screen for far too many hours and I can't concentrate much longer. Off to Pinnacle now to investigate...

Thank you for the support/helpful suggestions anyway.

cD

I just checked all of the clips imported via WorkShop2.

Regardless of size they are all type 1 with PCM.

I'm intrigued now.

George

My qdv.dll in Win 2000 is version 6.5.1.904

In XP 6.5.2600.2180

I'm trying a DVDWS type 2 capture in XP now to break the 4GB limit

Paul

Do you have dvcodec.dll (MGI)

UPDATE

Broke the 5GB barrier in XP with DVDWS 2.0 type 2 AVI

Regards

John.

I wasn't sure where to look for 'dvcodec.dll' but I pasted the reference into search all files/subfolders and it seems I don't have it.

When I uninstalled Pinnacle if I remember correctly I think I stripped some dynamic link files away if this is what .dll stands for. The only way I know (but I don't remember where from or which ones) is because I had messages telling me to relink or words to that effect. I did a search on the internet and downloaded some lost dlls but I didn't know what purpose they served.

Regards

As long as you are showing hidden files in Windows Explorer & you don't have 'dvcodec.dll' you are clear of one troublemaker.

May be part of the problem??

What is your qdv.dll version (The MS Direct Show codec)

Which version of DirectX? START - RUN - DXDIAG.EXE

Regards

Paul

I checked my type 2 capture on Win 2000 yesterday, it had LPCM audio
All my other captures were DV audio & broke the 4 GB limit

I will try and research some more tonight, I haven't spotted a reason in DVDWS.ini yet

Regards

John

I have the reason why my type 2 AVI in Windows 2000 cuts at 4 GB

MainConcept DV Codec 2.4.4 -- type 2
Which I must have installed sometime?

It should be DV Video Encoder -- type 1

Uninstalled, now I have DV Video Encoder -- type 2
It's still PCM, however this worked in XP for 5GB

I'll report back after another test capture :)

In answer to your earlier thread John, I have Direct X 9.0c 4.09.0000.0904 installed on my system. I have 4 qdv.dll files it seems – DirectShow Runtime 6.5. 2600.2180 has the latest date. I don’t know how I got four but at different times I have installed four Ulead programs of course. My OS is Windows XP with SP2 and 512MB RAM. I have one 80GB hard drive plus one spare internal 160GB hard drive just for video capture. Both are NTFS format and ‘healthy.’

I have imported a one hour MiniDV test clip from my Camcorder via Movie Factory 2 with no dropped frames – very smooth. It is 12 GB Microsoft AVI Open DML and a DV Video encoder type 1. It is also 24 bits 720 x 576 at 25 frames per second, 44.1kHZ 16 bit stereo PCM. Also, I imported another tiny file with a different camcorder. It has the same attributes as the larger clip.

Someone on another forum has just raised the point that the large imported AVI via MF2 possibly has the ‘wrong’ sound attribute, he said it should be 48kHZ. Can you confirm what it should be? Secondly, if it is wrong, how do I alter it? Thirdly, if it is wrong – then why did it burn to DVD with no problem? It looks and sounds great!

Finally, I have an older Video Studio program on its way to me. Will this be able to stitch two large files together and export them as one AVI to WS2?

Thanks.

The removal of the MainConcept DV Codec worked, 5GB capture in Windows 2000

MF2 captures normally as well (I had forgotten I had it installed :o )
Note that I have 48kHz which is the correct DVD spec.
I didn't see a type 2 option (Which uses PCM audio)

Your various camcorders aren't an issue with this problem capturing with a firewire card, a rogue codec installed on your computer IS, as it's messing up the OpenDML codec.

Your older VS may tackle the symptom of your problem by stitching the videos together, You won't have removed the cause though.

Regards

Thanks John. I will try and hunt the little blighter down.

Partial success John...

Not with the file size but I found that don't have a rogue CODEC.

I installed VideoStudio 8SE today then reimported all of my footage from the two MiniDVtapes. Like Movie Factory, this program easily processed the tape and didn't break up the large files. However, I soon hit a problem because it too produced 44.1kHZ audio files - though some were 48kHZ.

I looked at those that I downloaded again from MF2. The same, some were 44.1kHZ, some were 48 kHZ.

Those from the first tape were all correct at 48kHZ whichever program I used. So I tried an experiment. I shut down the Ulead program, and reimported a segment again from the second tape. It was fine at 48kHZ.

Bingo! After transferring the second tape all over again (after reloading the program) each file now shows as 48kHZ.

Somewhere there is a audio default in both programs I don't know where yet but at least I have solved one problem!

Hopefully tomorrow, well later today, I will be able to stitch the matching AVIs and be able to burn my DVD at last. Touch wood, fingers crossed etc.,

Cheers

Oh...One really weird thing.

Like your samples, (in both programs) video from tape one transferred at a data rate of about 3515 kbps. However, in both programs, the second tape downloaded at about 1215kbps. What?!!!

Why shoud there be a consistent difference and will it make a difference to the disk?

Will this have an impact on the DVD burning process...

Paul

George suggested this on the Ulead forum

Regards