Not long back from a boat trip from Moscow to St Petersburgh. For one reason or another did not take my camera, however, the holiday company had a guy taking video throughout the trip and sold them to passengers at the end. I bought the "British" version.
Got home and copied on to my hard drive using DVD Shrink. This resulted in 9 folders but the actual video was split into 3 parts of just over a gigabyte each.
Having previously consulted the forum I changed these files from VOB to MPG and then imported the first into Premiere. Intially tried to play it but instead of being smooth it seemed to jump from frame to frame (played perfectly in Windows Media). I then tried to render the video. Sterted fine but then said it would take 3 hours for just over 17 minutes of video !!
It never makes the 3 hours but freezes less than an eigth of the way through.
I find that Premiere only really works with stuff that I download straight from camera.
I have a Topfield PVR which allows downloads to the computer and the files from it when converted to mpg always play up and freeze.
BobA
PVR mpgs are usually "transport" rather than "program" or "elementary" and give problems with the usual mpg editing software.
Womble will convert them to standard DVD formats if the file extension is changed to .mpg, but it re-encodes and there is some loss of quality.
Haenlein DVR studio Pro will convert this sort of file to program or elementary without re-encoding, and gives much the best results.
Both can be downloaded as free trial versions.
You could try importing them into Windows Movie Maker, as that seems happy with *.mpg files.
This might not be too helpful, but Edius has no problem with DVDs. The new, cut-down version (Neo) is very cheap and should be able to rip the files from the DVD from inside Neo. I kn ow it works in the full version.
Thanks folks. So it's not just a matter of changing settings in Premiere ?
Thought I'd try your solutions one by one, starting with Windows Movie Maker as I already have that. Imports fine and plays fine from timeline but can't see how to export back to camera. Assume it will be possible to write directly to DVD.
Also can't find any transitions. Are they not available in Windows Movie Maker ?
Yes, WMM has all sorts of transitions and some very clever titling options - better than my Premiere 6.5 in some instances. The help files are also well laid out and very clear, so go have a read. You can indeed export back to your camera.
tom.
PVR mpgs are usually "transport" rather than "program" or "elementary" and give problems with the usual mpg editing software.Womble will convert them to standard DVD formats if the file extension is changed to .mpg, but it re-encodes and there is some loss of quality.
Haenlein DVR studio Pro will convert this sort of file to program or elementary without re-encoding, and gives much the best results.
Both can be downloaded as free trial versions.
A free program MPEG Stream converts them to mpegs, but premiere, although accepting them doesn't reallly like them and wont allow scrubbing without crashing. DVD workshop will deal with them, but again will crash if scrubbing is tried.
BobA
I'm just fascinated to know how it is you can just change the file extension from vob to mpg and continue to play these files. I'm betting it's a rather deep explanation that I won't understand.
I'm just fascinated to know how it is you can just change the file extension from vob to mpg and continue to play these files. I'm betting it's a rather deep explanation that I won't understand.
a vob is an mpeg with attitude.
it can contain numerous audio channels etc , but must not , as far as i can gather , exceed 1GB in size.
renaming a vob to mpg ( on a pc ) allows the file association to enable double click and open with relevent program.
ok thats my simple explanation ..... i'll await the technical version from those who know better.
i edit mpegs with
edius
womble mpeg editor
videoredo
panasonic moviealbum se
The new, cut-down version (Neo) is very cheap ...
Do you know where either the full or a download trial version can be found?
Cheers
Danny
I guess there's a full download version for evaluation, there certainly used to be for the full Edius. Check on the wesite.
I guess there's a full download version for evaluation, there certainly used to be for the full Edius. Check on the wesite.
That's the problem: there doesn't seem to be one of Edius Neo. When you go to the Edius Neo section of the site and click on download trial you are only offered a download of the full 4.5 version of Edius. Perhaps I'm missing something but that's how it look to me.
Regards
Danny:confused:
I've also tried to find the Neo trial version, without any luck. Logged on and registered, but it just goes round in circles.
I'll see what can be done, Richard Payne should know.
That's the problem: there doesn't seem to be one of Edius Neo. When you go to the Edius Neo section of the site and click on download trial you are only offered a download of the full 4.5 version of Edius. Perhaps I'm missing something but that's how it look to me.
Regards
Danny:confused:
Also if you go to the buy link and follow through to the UK link, there are three dealers two of which have no mention of Edius and the third (Holdan) don't seem to have Neo.
I just wanted to get a price.
BobA
I've asked Richard to look into this.
Alan, in the minimum requirements there is a USB port needed for software protection.
I assume thats a dongle, or is there some hardware involved?
BobA
It's a dongle. The software's free, you pay for the dongle. That means you can load the software onto as many PCs as you've got, but the dongle will only enable one at a time. I find that no problem.
Ta
So different dongles for different versions and an upgrade is a new dongle?
BobA
TaSo different dongles for different versions and an upgrade is a new dongle?
BobA
This is all very interesting but I still don't know where to go to download a trial version of Edius Neo - dongled or not.:confused:
As far as I'm aware, the dongle is the licence, so once you've bought one, you can upgrade away. That's certainly been true from Edius 3 onwards, when I started with Edius.
Danny, I've asked Richard Payne about this. He or I will post the answer when he/I get it.
Danny, I've asked Richard Payne about this. He or I will post the answer when he/I get it.
Thanks Robert. I appreciate you helping in this way.
Danny
:)
So far have succesfully loaded and edited the first gigabyte into Windows Movie Maker. However there seems to be a problem when I play the video back on the computer. There is a substantial zigzag effect on any horizontal camera pan, or movement of people.
Also find that the project is extremely unstable and locks up very easily.
Can't find any render application so assume that that's not the problem.
Have just searched the internet for a VOB to AVI converter and come up with AVS Video Converter 5.5. Anyone have any experience of this product or any other VOB to AVI converter. Do they work and would it provide AVI files that would work in Premiere ?
You could try
Have just searched the internet for a VOB to AVI converter and come up with AVS Video Converter 5.5. Anyone have any experience of this product or any other VOB to AVI converter. Do they work and would it provide AVI files that would work in Premiere ?
Personally, I didn't have much luck with AVS Video Converter. I've been using a program alluded to at the start of this thread called MPEG StreamClip available at the following address:
For me it has converted both VOBS and VRO files without problem to DV-AVI which I've then used in Premiere.
Hope that helps.
Andy.
Personally, I didn't have much luck with AVS Video Converter. I've been using a program alluded to at the start of this thread called MPEG StreamClip available at the following address:For me it has converted both VOBS and VRO files without problem to DV-AVI which I've then used in Premiere.
Hope that helps.
Andy.
Only ever used MPEG Streamclip for converting to MPEG. I will have to try the DV-AVI sometime.
BobA
Tried a small clip and it worked fine, the more I use MPEG Streamclip the more impressed I am with it.
BobA
Andy - I can't get anything to download from the MPEG Streamclip site - any more thoughts on how to get the program?
Downloads are working here Tom - at 315k I could email it to you......
Would you? Thanks Gavin
tomrhardwick 'at' gmail.com
Done
Tom, any chance you could forward it on to me as I'm having the same problem - Jim.Blacklock@NTLWorld.com.
Would be much appreciated.
I would Jim, but nothing's arrived from Gavin. I don't think this program is meant for me.
Hi Tom
Gmail won't accept attachments that contain a zipped executable file - so the email gets bounced, with error Reason 552.5.7.0 Illegal Attachment.
I have just downloaded both V1.1 (491 kb) and the new V1.2b2 beta (315 kB) of Streamclip, in less than 10 seconds. Oh, the joys of being 100 metres from the exchange with new copper!.
It is no use to me but I can send either/both to anyone who would like a copy.
Hi Tom,
I've resent the files with .old file extension. If they get through you need to rename them .zip
Hope everyone who needs it has managed to download a copy. If not it is also available from the Videohelp site here:
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/MPEG_StreamClip
Choose "Download from mirror download"
Andy.
Paul, thanks very much for e-mail and download, it was very good of you. Received okay and unzipped okay. The first time I used the program to convert my VOB to AVI I set quality to 100%. Took a long time but eventually crashed at 60% complete with the message "write error or disk full". There was plenty of space on the disk.
Just tried it again at 50% and it completed. Looked at it using Windows Media and it played fine. However when I tried to import the file into Premiere I got the message "Unable to open that file. Fle uses an unsupported compression format"
What settings did you use in the Export to AVI screen?
I changed frame size to 720x576 (DV-PAL) & set Field Dominance to Lower Field First. The rest I left as they were
Compression - Apple Photo - JPEG
Interlaced scaling ticked
Reinterlace chroma ticked
Zoom - 100%
Rotation = No
X/Y = 1
Sound MPEG Layer 2 stereo auto 256 kbps
Ah I can see the problem. You need to change the compression drop-down to Apple DV-PAL. It's no surprise that Premiere choked on it. It's also no surprise that I spotted it so quickly since I did exactly the same thing first time round. :)
Make sure Audio is also set to "Uncompressed".
Once you change the compression, it should choose the other settings for you apart from audio IIRC. Click on the options button if you need to change to 16:9 and then click on the presets button to save your choices for next time.
Hope that helps.
Andy.
Magic - worked a treat. Thanks to all for advice and help.